OTL Extra: The Discussion About Girls Tackle Football

ICYMI, on Wednesday Outside the Lines had a feature on the girls football league and the larger issue of concussions in football. The aired show was very good and good discussion was had by all that included Doug Casa, Jane McManus and one time TCB contributor Matt Chaney.

Below is the video of the OTL Extra (third video) of this episode and worth your 12 minutes of time…  Would love to hear some discussion on this…

2 thoughts on “OTL Extra: The Discussion About Girls Tackle Football

  1. jbloggs13 August 7, 2015 / 09:02

    Matt Chaney deserves maximum kudos for not only offering facts but maintaining his composure.

    Amazing the offer two panelists have jobs. Disgraceful.

    • Very well done, Matt…your logic and composure added to the personal experiences and knowledge that you shared…

      You came across quite composed and knowledgeable with various citations and your own personal experience…and neither person refuted what you said…

      Woefully missing from the other 2 panelists was the acknowledgment of ALL the significant injuries and corresponding injury rates that occur from the direct aggressiveness & violent play of football…including that the brain is developing at the 10 year old plus age level and thus more at risk for severe injury…than an adult brain.

      And I am so tired of hearing nonsense that kids should play if they want to…what about the responsibility of parenthood re protecting their developing children ?

      …and as you noted, Matt, an argument could be made that we are abusing our kids by allowing them to participate in football…

      and clearly the deaths are not improbable nor flukes.

      ” Safer football ” is an example of contradictory or incongruous words.

      If one defines the term safer as defined below, the term safer football becomes an oxymoron…and thus an impossibility.
      As the term “ safer football ” is composed of contradictory or incongruous words.

      An examination of the definition of safe and safer and corresponding antonyms of safe and safer reflects the reality and probability of the outcome of football participation.

      The following definitions are from Meriam Webster

      Definition of :

      Safe, safer

      1. Secure from danger, harm, or evil.

      2. Free from danger or injury; unhurt: safe and sound.

      3. Free from risk; sure: a safe bet.

      4. Affording protection: a safe place.

      Antonyms of safe, safer:

      endangered, exposed, imperiled (or imperilled), insecure, liable, open, subject (to), susceptible, threatened, unsafe, violable, vulnerable


      a combination of contradictory or incongruous words (as cruel kindness); broadly : something (as a concept) that is made up of contradictory or incongruous elements

      thus the notion of ” safer football ” is an oxymoron

      Why an oxymoron ???

      Because Football Athletes are continually endangered, exposed, and susceptible to injury…yet these injuries are being minimized, normalized and sanitized and thus accepted as part of the game

      …and often without a critical examination of the financial, physical, cognitive, emotional and social costs of sport-related injuries.

      1- Football, by the nature of the contact/collision game, is a violent and aggressively played sport that creates a wide spectrum of injuries, and at times death, for its participants.

      Numerous pro football players openly acknowledge the violence that occurs in the sport.
      – We crash into players…
      – It is a violent sport…period !

      Historically…the NFL has promoted the aggressiveness of the sport –highlighting the big hits of the week…and the corresponding violent play.

      1960…CBS TV broadcast – Walter Cronkite…The Violent World of Sam Huff.

      2- Along the same thoughts, perhaps there is a more global sport injury issue emerging that has been under addressed?

      The global issue follows: That the SPORT CULTURE in the U.S. often idealizes sport participation & therefore uncritically accepts various types of sport injuries as part of the game…whether the injury be a sprained ankle, broken leg or a damaged brain….and ignores all the inherent risks of participation.

      Some football advocates argue the sport creates physical health…may I suggest they honestly examine the immediate and long-term:

      1- financial,
      2- physical,
      3- legal
      4- social and emotional
      5- cognitive

      costs of a sport-related injury to the participant, family members and significant others.

      Although proponents of sports in recent decades asserted that participation in sports enhances physical fitness and health, sports critics have argued to the contrary (Edwards, 1973; Guttman, 1988; McGregor, 1995; Moeller, 1996; Nack 2001; Nixon, 1984).

      Guttman (1988) challenged the irony of the commonly accepted belief that participation in sports enhances physical development. He argued that closer examination of sports-related injury statistics had revealed the vast number of these injuries clearly reflected and documented the physical destruction of the athlete’s body for participation in sports.

      In addition, athletic participation for some persons would exacerbate a presenting medical problem or cause death (Moeller, 1996).

      Nack (2001) contributed the following insights pertaining to the life-long adverse effects of NFL football-related injuries:

      ” Retired NFL players are wincing, hobbling wounded; the men who played professional football, the notoriously joint-shearing, disk-popping, nerve- numbing exercise that is grown only more dangerous…”

      3- An examination of the history of sport reveals individuals and organizations that have reportedly emerged and intervened to minimize injury risks for participants in various sports.

      Furthermore, terms such as “ Safer ” have been employed within football for over a hundred years — a significant period of time to supposively assist in minimizing injury risk.

      For example, ” Safer Football ” has been a reoccurring mantra in football since prior to the President Teddy Roosevelt era. The NCAA’s roots emerged from concern for ” Safer Football ” during Roosevelt’s presidency.

      Furthermore, suggest you read Matt Chaney’s recent post on the Independent Football Vets website re his revealing historical perspective pertaining to football and related brain injuries for additional pertinent information.

      The link to Matt’s historical findings follows:


      Along the same lines, perhaps rather than asking — How can football be “ made safer “ ?, a more precise question to raise is an extension of Robeson and King’s (2014) perspectives.

      The question follows:

      Can a dangerous and violent game be made less dangerous or violent?

      I know of former NFL Players who also share the following similar conclusion:

      Football can’t be made less dangerous or violent.

      Newspaper headlines mistakenly project the terms FLUKE football injuries and deaths..

      ….WHEN THESE INJURIES AND DEATHS ARE STATISTICALLY PREDICTABLE every year…and clearly are not improbable nor flukes.

      The 3rd death of a youth participating in football within the Fall of 2014 was labeled a fluke during the national news broadcast reporting of this tragic death.

      Our children and their developing bodies, including their brains, are being placed ‘ in harms way ’ when they walk onto on the football fields.

      For some youngsters their fields become their “ sports brain graveyard ”…for what logical reasons????

      It is becoming more apparent that we are playing Russian Roulette with children’s brains, emotions and other parts of their bodies.

      Perhaps parents should read this following mantra to their child:

      ” Today as you enter onto the football…it may be the last time that I know you as my son/daughter. Statistics state you have a chance of becoming brain-damaged or dying as a result of participating in football. ”

      Though a so-called small statistical percentage of children may die each year…each death is clinically, humanly and spiritually significant !

      mmmm….perhaps Ralph Nader’s perspectives re autos may apply to football?

      Football…unsafe at any speed…or any age level… or gender !

      Don Brady, PhD, PsyD, NCSP
      Licensed Clinical Psychologist

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